Chapter 4: Aini
Why does Ralph want to make basic rules such as keeping the fire going, using the bathroom in a particular place, using the shelters, and keeping water in the coconut shells?
What does Jack feel after he knows that a ship has passed by?
Chapter 5: Giorgio S.
Why is there a big discussion about having a big assembly in the beginning of the chapter?
Why do the boys decide to have an assembly?
Why does Phil tell his dream to everyone? What effect does it have on the boys? (see p. 84-86)
Chapter 6: Valentina
Why does Ralph, without thinking, say yes to searching for the beast instead of turning back with the other kids?
What brings Simon to remain with Jack and Ralph and to continue the search for the beast?
Ms. Gelso: Consider why Simon has trouble communicating with the rest of the boys. It seems that he has important things to say, why can't he say them?
PART 1: Respond to any one of the above questions in a complete paragraph (at LEAST 5 sentences, including text details) by tonight, November 17th. Make sure that you indicate which question you will be answering.
PART 2: Return to the blog tomorrow night, November 18th, and comment on two of your classmates' posts. In your comment, make sure you indicate to whom you are speaking. In your comment, you can agree, disagree, ask a question, or any combination of these. Each comment must be thoughtful and critical. Simply saying "I agree with you" is not enough! I will be posting comments on the 17th as an example for you.
Chapter 4 Q.1__Why does Ralph want to make basic rules such as keeping the fire going, using the bathroom in a particular place, using the shelters, and keeping water in the coconut shells?
ReplyDeleteRalph makes these rules because he represents civilization and he is a very civiized boy who wants to transmit his ideas and thoughts.
Ralph wants to go back home and so he sets this simple rules that unfortunately are not always followed,for example, the hunters are responsible for the fire on top of the mountain but they go hunting and leave the fire with no one putting wood in it and a ship passes while the fire is off and Ralph is really upset with Jack and the hunters since they could have gone home saved by that ship.
Valentina's Question:
ReplyDeleteRalph wanted to search for the beast instead of turning back to the kids because he thinks that this man with the parachute "Beast in air" could save them in a way to get out of the island. Ralph expects nothing will happen to the kids.
The basic rules which Ralph wants to make are representing the civilization. In fact, he wants to keep the life in island in an organized way; firstly, “the fire is the most important thing on the island, [without it they could not ever be rescued]”. Then, to keep the island clean without pollution by using the bathroom in a particular place such as “[the] rocks right along beyond the bathing pool as a lavatory “therefore “the tide [could] cleans the place up”. Furthermore, since they could not forecast when they are going to leave the island so comfortable and saved shelters are required. Lastly, because salt water is undrinkable so it is important to keep the fresh water in the coconut shells. As the reasons mentioned above show that how important the rules are and why Ralph strongly wants to put into practice.
ReplyDeleteWhy does Ralph want to make basic rules such as keeping the fire going, using the bathroom in a particular place, using the shelters, and keeping water in the coconut shells?
ReplyDeleteWhat does Jack feel after he knows that a ship has passed by?
Because Ralph want they became like normal life , not just do anything worry. The jack don’t care what Ralph want the only hunter and how to take power from Ralph that he only want. When jack know there has ship has pass he just said apologized to people and act he was sorry to every one.
(posted by Liebin C.--on time, difficulties posting)
What does Jack feel after he knows that a ship has passed by?
ReplyDeleteJack doesn't care of the ship. The only thing that he wants to do is to kill the pig. After the last time, he decides that this is the best moment to kill a big, so when he kills the big he is so excited that he doesn't care about Ralph's feelings or ideas of a "civilized country". In conclusion, Jack is so adventurous that doesn't care of rules or to return back home.
To Majid :
I in part agree you, but in the other hand i think that that's not the only reason. If you can see, Jack is not the kind of person who cares of other people, he just cares of himself. I think that he is so curious, and this brings him to cross the borders.
To Aini :
I completely agree with your answer, but also I have a question for you. Are these the only reasons that brings Ralph to be so civilized?, because I think that he is so afraid to die in the island and so he tries methods to be save.
Giorgio, we have talked a lot about Ralph representing civilization and this was the right time to bring it up again. Did you notice how often Ralph daydreams about his home and all of the modern amenities it has to offer?
ReplyDeleteAini, the way you used text details really helped to explain your answer! Keep this up!
ReplyDeleteValentina, you make a good point about Jack's obsession with killing and adventure. However, I think that for a moment he realizes the gravity of letting the fire go out. It seems at first like he has a moment of remorse, but then by the time Ralph wants to talk about it at the assembly, he is indifferent to the ship passing by and only wants to explore, kill pigs, and be the leader.
ReplyDeleteA tip on preposition use: one cares FOR or ABOUT something or someone, not OF something or someone.
To Liebin
ReplyDeleteIn some ways, I agree with your answer that Jack wants to hunt and to be the leader. In fact, Jack sincerely feels regret when he knows that a ship has passed by and causing the fire go out.
To Majid
I disagree with your answer. First of all, Ralph doesn’t know the “Beast in air “ is the man with a parachute . He wants to search for the beast because he doesn’t want the kids to be afraid of the situation and he also wants find out the beast before it attacking them. In addition to that, He wants to make sure that the beast would not attack them so they could be saved before leaving the island.
Yeah! I know, but he thought it only during a short time, then he quickly rethought about the pig and his big adventure ... and I want to say one thing to Aini, you used quotes very well, thank you I think that with your examples i'm going to understand better how to use quotes and so, to use it frequently!
ReplyDeleteTo Valentina:
ReplyDeleteI agree what you said that jack is selfish and cares about himself. But why is Ralph the only one who doesnt care about killing pigs?
Question 4: Ralph made the rules so that the boys will keep themselves tidy while they are in the island,and so that the air around them is fresh and it doesnt smell of all the best stuff they've been letting out of their bodies..lol..and he wants them to keep the coconut water so that they dont run out and they will not have to drink the ugly sea salt water..
ReplyDeleteValentina:
ReplyDeleteI do agree with your answer but i also think that Jack, even if he is so savage and seems that he doesn't want to go back home,in that moment he understands the error he did and feels bad even if he tried not to show it to the others.
Q.1-ch4. Ralph made these rules as soon as he became the leader because he feels that with no rules the island would become crazy. He uses ideas wich in our world are used in common society today. Being somehow an educated boy, he started to assign to different groups of boys different jobs to do douring their days. Although some of the boys didn't keep up to their job Ralph continues to be strict and tries to make the island a better place for everyone. I think that without those basic rules the boys wouldn't have lasted long.
ReplyDelete(posted by Giorgio S., had trouble posting)
Majid, I think that's a good point, but don't forget Simon and Piggy! They are in a particular position, too.
ReplyDeletesorry for late comment but my internet is not working well again...
ReplyDeleteQ1-Ch6 At the beginning of chapter 6 a dead parachutist falls from the sky... all the boys were: scared, sad, disgusted, and curious about the fact. Because of this I would say they were very confused. After a bit during the night the twins face a conflict with some undefined animals or monsters in the dark forest. The twins immediately told the fact to Jack, and a meeting started. Some of the boys went to search for the "monsters", and some of the boys climbed the mountain to set a new fire signal. In that moment another conflict arose between Jack and Ralph, Jack challenged Ralph in the hunt of the monster and Ralph accepted. In this story conflicts are very frequent both internally and externally. After all this reading I understood that fear conflicts is the most important because it leads the boys’ way to become adults.
Yes Yola, but I think he wants not only the boys to be more ogranizzed, and clean. But to have more control on the them, step by step, to become the leader.
ReplyDeleteTo Valentina
ReplyDeleteYes, Valentina I agree that you say Ralph makes these rules due to his fear since he wants an organized life in the island before being rescued.
Ps. I'm so glad that my paragraph helped you ~